The Disney Chronicles (and Universal): Dining out with 3 food-allergic children – Day 3

The Disney Chronicles (and Universal): Dining out with 3 food-allergic children - Day 3

A Less-than-Perfect Food Allergy Dining Experience at Disney

Before I say anything else about Day 3, let me acknowledge that my family had a great day today!  I say that not only to reassure those of you who I imagine lost a lot of sleep over our plight from the first day-and-a-half here (how about just a wink?), but also to make clear that I’m not a “negative Nellie.”  Why is that important?  Because I’m going to describe the first overly concerning food-allergic dining experience I’ve ever had at Disney!

DAY 3:

First, however, breakfast. Rather than start the day with Pop Tarts again, we stepped it up to cereal and milk (or rice milk, depending on the child).  Is that really relevant?  No.  So I’ll move on.

The Disney Chronicles (and Universal): Dining out with 3 food-allergic children - Day 3

My 3 older children, my parents, and I took a detour over to Universal Studio’s Islands of Adventure today to experience some different thrill rides and of course check out the Wizarding World of Harry Potter.  During the course of the day, we stopped at a lunch location called Comic Strip Cafe.  Walking in, I immediately had a flashback to a terrible experience at Six Flags New England last Summer (outlined in this blog).  The two locations have a very similar layout. You step up to a cashier, tell her what you want from the large overhead billboards, then proceed forward to pick up your meal tray at the counter in front of the kitchens.  The counter and kitchens appear a little hectic, like there’s food flying everywhere, which always causes apprehension.

In actuality, however, this was as decent an experience as I think we could have asked for at a lunch stop such as this.  The menu board was a little more diverse than most and actually had a few items my dairy-allergic son could have.  We were ready to ask about the spaghetti for him, but before I could find out if they used egg-free noodles or not, he decided he wanted to go back to old reliable – the hot dog… or two… and fries.

I mentioned at the register that my sons had food allergies and asked what the fries were fried in and whether or not the hot dog buns had dairy.  Poof, out from under the cash register, Ashley pulled a “cheat sheet” that included the ingredients of the vegetable oil used in the fryer, the ingredients in the hot dog buns (no dairy!), as well as the ingredients in a few other key items.  I was happy to see that the fries AND the buns were safe for both my sons.

Upon reaching the counter, I called the manager over and asked him the same questions (I always recommend asking twice when possible), plus whether or not there were any nut products around.  After confirming what we already knew about the fries and buns, he acknowledged that their two Chinese food offerings do contain nuts. He assured me that those dishes are made in only one of the many cooking areas (and at the far end), nowhere near the other food.  I was able to visually confirm this.

The bottom line is that we ended up with another safe meal for all.

Being Harry Potter fans, we then visited the Wizarding World.  As we were finishing up riding rides and gaping at the scenery, it was time to head into the Hog’s Head for some butterbeer.  Unfortunately, my 8-year-old wasn’t able to partake in this wizarding favorite.  There is, in the words of the bartender, “trace amounts of whey at the bottom of the brew.”  I couldn’t tell from her tone if this was a “made in a facility” type of warning or if it were more of a “this can’t hurt him, but I need to tell you” type of comment.  Suffice it to say that even had I not thought it were the latter, this was a chance I was not going to take.  I felt really bad telling him he couldn’t have a butterbeer – do you ever get used to disappointing your kids? – but he took it in stride as always and had a “fizzy apple juice.”  (As an aside, I think he was the ultimate winner.  The butterbeer was nasty!  The frozen top was okay, but the bottom was like sipping butterscotch syrup through a straw.  Yet, I digress.)

The Disney Chronicles (and Universal): Dining out with 3 food-allergic children - Day 3

Finally, our entire family reconvened and eventually had dinner at the San Angel Inn Restaurante within the Mexico exhibit at Disney’s EPCOT.  And here we experienced what I consider our first “concerning” Disney dining experience!

I will note, just for comparison with our dinners the first two nights, that no ticket was put on our table indicating food allergies.  That said, our server – we’ll just call him “Q” – was aware of our allergies when he came to the table.  Yet, being aware and demonstrating knowledge and confidence are two separate things.  “Q” was certainly affable enough, but he seemed way out of his league with respect to food allergies.  To wit:

  • When we informed him of our middle son’s dairy allergy, he needed us to explain what dairy was.  No joke.  We had to tell him milk was dairy (amongst other things, of course).
  • Having learned what dairy was, we were told that everything on the kids menu was fine.  The first entree on this menu?  Beef tacos… including cheese.
  • We were told that the only nuts used were in the desserts; however, the menu clearly stated that one dish was prepared “with chopped nuts” (can’t recall the dish, so forgive my memory on that one, but it had mole sauce).
  • Disturbed by these three “little” factors, I asked “Q” if he had a book of ingredients to bring over.  He said yes, but never came back with one.
  • When we asked to speak to a chef, “Q” came back and told us the chefs were really busy in the back.  (That’s when the blood started boiling! – but don’t worry, we didn’t accept that.)
  • Overall, “Q” just didn’t seem to understand food allergies or their severity, not to mention what was in any of the dishes the San Angel Inn served.

In addition to the above, we once again ran into a disappointing kids menu.  Now, I recognize that most kids’ menus generally have just a handful of basic entrees, but three?  Really?  Beef tacos, chicken tacos, or chicken strips?

Despite all of this, we still didn’t leave… though I wouldn’t have faulted anyone else had they chosen to!  We politely, but firmly, insisted that we speak to a chef (and explained why it was so important).  “Q” returned with a chef within minutes.

Chef Marcos was excellent and helped resolve all our questions within minutes.  Nuts wouldn’t be anywhere near our kids’ meals.  He would make a simple flour and cheese quesadilla for our egg-allergic baby.  And he would make chicken tacos free of any dairy product for our middle son.  The guacamole was also dairy free, as were the nacho chips.  (Be careful of the rice chips that might be brought out with the guacamole – they have egg in them.  We had a very close call with the baby on that one.)  When Chef Marcos was finished working everything out with us, he took a minute to explain everything to “Q”.  Hopefully, that will help “Q” better satisfy future families.  (He really was very nice, but that of course was not of primary importance at the time.)

So again, let me stress that we had a great family day together!  The meal was challenging and the experience there disappointing, but we all came out safe and enjoyed the late night fireworks.  We went to bed exhausted, but happy.

This experience shows that even “the gold standard” (Disney) isn’t perfect.  And therein lies a really important lesson that I try to constantly stress – NEVER let your guard down!  ALWAYS remain vigilent!  No matter how many AllergyEats allergy-friendliness stars a restaurant has, no matter who gives you the recommendation, and no matter the reputation of the restaurant, there is no such thing as a guaranteed safe (or even comfortable) dining experience.

So did I surprise you?  Are you shocked to hear the details of our Disney dinner experience?  Would you like to share your own experience at that restaurant?  And how about our dining at Universal?  Please share as many thoughts and comments as you wish by clicking Reply below.  Agree or disagree – it’s all good knowledge for us to share. (And OK, you can share your thoughts on butterbeer. I know you want to.)

Please also take a minute to hop over to the core AllergyEats site (www.allergyeats.com) and take a minute to rate any recent restaurant experiences.  Each new rating further increases the value of AllergyEats for our entire food allergy and intolerance community.

And by the way, while many people have asked us about AllergyEats on our journey, no one yet has mentioned that they are a member, a fan, or a friend of a fan, so I haven’t had to give away any T-shirts.  I’ll up the ante and say that there are (3) $25 gift certificates on the line if someone spots us with our AllergyEats T-shirts, polos, or hats, and tells us they’re a member, fan, or friend of a fan.

Word has it that we’ll be at EPCOT and Disney Studios tomorrow morning into early afternoon.  Dining plans are not yet set.

Comments

    Author:
    Julie Strehle
    Written:


    Hi Paul,
    Great Chronicles, thanks for sharing your experiences! I am wondering about your son with the sesame allergy and buying hot dogs and buns; you mentioned that you ask about dairy in the buns, but do you regularly ask if buns have sesame warnings or sesame in the ingredients? I am also wondering about your experiences while wearing Allergy Eats t-shirts and hats. I wonder if the restaurant staffs around Disney could be even more accomodating for someone who is advertising a business which reviews restaurants, versus that average diner who isn’t in the business. Is that coming up during your conversations with waitstaff and chefs? Enjoy the rest of your vacation!
    Julie 🙂

      Author:
      AEPaul
      Written:


      Hi Julie. I haven’t asked about sesame in the hot dogs or buns. To be honest, I have never encountered that (as opposed to hamburger buns). That said, I have been reading the ingredients of the buns, so I would have caught it if sesame was in them. As for wearing AllergyEats apparel, I haven’t gotten comments from any of the restaurant staffs. Even so, they’ve been ready as soon as we show up, so I know they’re not giving us any special treatment there. I also feel pretty confident saying that wearing the gear isn’t affecting the service at all. It certainly didn’t last night!

    Author:
    Sarah
    Written:


    Not to make excuses but the employees at Epcot center are often from other countries. As English is not their first language they may not know what dairy is. Enjoy the rest of your vacation!

      Author:
      AEPaul
      Written:


      Sarah, that’s a good point. I also learned today that some “countries,” Mexico being one of them, have the food service licensed to an outside party. That said, to the visitor it’s all Disney, so they need to be trained as well as the direct Disney employees. Similarly, Disney has to protect their brand and reputation regardless of where the staff is from. But that’s just my opinion.

    Author:
    Ryan Dial
    Written:


    I have to say that your experience only serves to stress my point that wait-staff and line-cooks need allergy training. Whenever my restaurant idea finally gets off the ground, I know my staff will be trained well and competent with the menu.

    Author:
    Kim
    Written:


    I am a member and a fan:). However, I don’t have much to contribute because we almost never eat out due to my youngest sons allergies! This Disney blog has been so great!! We are going to Disney next month and although we’ve been there a couple of times with our dairy/egg/tree nut/sesame child we just brought his food and got Divvies treats from the Disney bakery. Your blog has opened up a whole new world for us and our son will be thrilled that he can have food at the parks. We can’t thank you enough for paving the path with your family!!! I will gladly share information when we take our trip next month. I will await your next blog!!!!

    Author:
    Jan
    Written:


    Hi. Loving your posts, thanks for all the info. We will be heading to the Disney parks ourselves on Monday, planning to dine at Akershus and Crystal Palace … hope to see you there! 🙂

      Author:
      AEPaul
      Written:


      Jan, even if you don’t see us, please feel free to share your thoughts on this blog!

    Author:
    Donna
    Written:


    Enjoyed reading about your experience… not a fan of Disney so we won’t be going there, but your method is a good one for any place. I have one very allergic to peanuts son and one mildly allergic to tree nuts son so your basic advice is the best – it’s your job to stay aware, ask questions and push the point. Thank you again for the reviews!

    Author:
    DianneK
    Written:


    I am a member and a fan! We will be at EPCOT in the morning, as well. My 4 year old loves the ‘golf ball ride’. I definitely hope we get to meet. I would love the opportunity to pass on some info about myself and my company, not to mention the gift card would make a great fundraiser donation for an ASD family. We will be in Peanut Free Zone tees..so if you see us, ask us about the ASD families.

    Author:
    michabu
    Written:


    Paul
    Enjoy, things have come a long way in 20+ years. So happy to hear you and your family can do as much as you can. Don’t be discouraged, the kids will remember more than what they could or couldn’t eat, you may never forget though!

    Author:
    Amber
    Written:


    I think it’s important to point out that San Angel Inn Restaurant is not owned or operated by Disney. This is true of a few restaurants in Epcot, Downtown Disney, and Animal Kingdom. I usually try to stick to the Disney owned restauarants, but I have heard good (and bad) things about many of the others nonetheless. I think Special Diets can give you some information about how to avoid certain allergens at these restaurants, but I wouldn’t rely on those alone, especially if your waiter didn’t know what dairy was.

    Author:
    Kathleen
    Written:


    Likely that “Q” by now is a full fledged expert. I hope you brought it to the attention of the gatekeepers at disney, it’s an important fact to bring up, and don’t feel bad about doing it either. The kids (including my FA kiddo) wanted to go to san angel because of the atmosphere the last time we were in the world, but based on the limited menu, we didn’t bother (though the margaritas and tequila tasting flights are terrific). Our favorite at the world has been at Tuskers in AK and mama melrose in HWS. Mama’s was spectacular for our oldest (MEPTN&Ses). You are right though, no matter what you have to be vigilant!!! Make sure you hit up BabyCakes in Downtown Disney! Your FAK’s will have a heck of a great experience picking out and eating outrageously expensive but tremendously delish cupcakes, donuts, and cookies (and a frosting shot or 2 :o) )!

    Author:
    Kathy Giannone
    Written:


    I am not surprised that this latest experience was at EPCOT. The restaurants there are very authentic to the host countries, and many of the staff are from the host countries, sometimes causing language problems. I don’t fault Disney for that – I applaud them, but I just choose not to frequent those restaurants. When we went to Epcot, we ate at Liberty Inn. Fairly standard fare, but at least I was confident it was safe.

    Author:
    Mark
    Written:


    I will be taking my food allergic son to Disney in April. Disney has a e-mail for special diets I believe it is [email protected]. They will ask very pointed questions about your allergies and have you fill out a on line form to specify your allergies. I had the luxury of visiting Universal this month and also stopped by Disney to speak to one of the chefs at Ohana in the Polynesian. We will be trying to eat there mostly but Disney did supply me with a list of park friendly places as well. It never hurts to ask questions more than once, and of more than one person.

    Author:
    Amber
    Written:


    I do agree with you that there is little to no way for a diner to know that certain restaurants are not run by Disney. Another example is Chefs de France. I’ve heard rumors that Special Diets advises against food allergic diners even eating there.

    Did you contact Special Diets ahead of time and resubmit the ADR form? They will send you a packet of helpful information, including menu ideas for certain allergy sets at the Epcot non-Disney restaurants. They also have a form telling you where to find certain products. Which counter service places carry the allergy-friendly chicken tenders, which ice cream parlors carry soy and rice milk ice cream, which places have soy milk and Divvies available, etc… The popcorn at vendor carts is dairy free (the coconut popping oil is produced in a plant with peanuts though). The ADR form that you send back is sent to the chefs a week or two ahead of your trip so that they can have special ingredients on hand. Some chefs still provide very basic offerings, but others use the notice to go above and beyond.

    Author:
    Emlily
    Written:


    We go to Disney every year and had a good experience with San Angel. We have also had success with Coral Reef, Akershus and Le Cellier. Via Napoli was terrible and there ended up being only one option for both my son and I and they charged me extra for a ‘custom’ meal.

    O’hana provided us with one of our best allergy dining experiences ever. We also like Mama Melrose, Tusker House, Raglan Road, Tony’s Town Square and suprisingly, Chef Mickey’s even though it is a buffet. There was very little my son and I could eat at Hollywood and Vine and we thought thought they did a very poor job attempting to accomodate. We also were not impressed with the Grand Floridian Cafe due to a lack of selection, not a lack of accomodation.

    Author:
    Amber
    Written:


    @Emlily- Do you mind me asking what your diet restrictions are? We’re going again next January and I’m trying to pick places.

    Author:
    Emily
    Written:


    @Amber- I am tree nut/peanut/dairy and my son is milk/egg/wheat/tree nut/peanut and maple syrup.

    Author:
    Stephanie
    Written:


    Epcot is the only place I’ve ever had allergen issues at Disney (and I live in Orlando and visit OFTEN). I think it’s because of the cultural difference for one thing, but also because some of the restaurants aren’t owned by Disney in exactly the same way that everything else in Disney is. They don’t always have the same rules (like a chef coming out and talking to you no matter what).

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